VERSES MISSIONARIES IGNORE
IN THE HEBREW BIBLE
Missionaries say that over 300 verses in the Tanach support their beliefs. Between the claim and the proof are some obstacles, but th sat's another story, one discussed elsewhere. However, several verses in the Tanach refute the missionary claims. When confronted with these verses, some missionaries rationalize, and others change the subject. That they never cite these verses while prosetylizing is worth noting.
The verses which missionaries avoid include:
Missionaries say that the 'son' aspect of their tri-partite god was the person Jesus. (Sometimes they even seem to say the other two aspects were also human, but that's another story.) They emphasize that they believe God became man, not that a man became God. The Tanach makes no such distinction. The Tanach says simply that God is not a man.
Numbers 23 (KJV) 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall Godnot make it good?
Missionaries claim the verse should read "God is not a man who lies..." This is not what the Hebrew text says, or even how the KJV translates it. In addition, Jesus actually is recorded as lying. John 7:2-9 describes Jesus as telling his disciples that he would not go to the feast of tabernacles because his time had not yet come. But then he goes in secret. John 7 KJV - 2Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand. 3His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. ... 6Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. ... 9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. 10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
Hosea 11 (KJV) 9 ...I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee ...
I Samuel 15: (KJV) 29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
Psalm 146 , (KJV) 2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being. 3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
Jesus is frequently refered to as the "son of man."
The Hebrew phrase "ben adam" (literally "son of man") in a poetic way of saying "person".
Job 9 (KJV) 32 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.33 Neither is there any daysman ("mediator" in the New KJV) betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
Note that Job 9:3 also contradicts the missionary idea that someone must mediate between people and God.
The same idea is expressed in a different way in Deuteronomy Chapter 4. The text is explicit -- you saw no image at Horeb, so don't try to make a representation of God.
Deut 4: 15 (KJV) Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: 16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, 18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: 19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.Missionaries sometimes say that God has changed since those words were written. They assert that now God is indeed human, and if we Jews don't believe it, we will be consumed in the fires of hell.. However, the Bible says that God does not change and we will not be consumed
Here is the list of the verses for easy copy and paste in chatrooms:
Num 23:19; Hos 11:9; 1 Sam 15:29, Ps 146:2; Job 9:32; Deut 4:15 - see http://home.cox.net/~fiddlerzvi/verses.html for full texts
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2. Blood sacrifice is not needed for forgiveness.
Missionaries say that God must have blood in order to forgive sins. I have even heard them say that God is incapable, does not have the ability, to forgive without bloodshed. The Tanach does not agree. According to Tanach, there are several acceptable means for repentance.
Leviticus 5 11 (KJV) But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.
Isaiah Chapter 1:11 (KJV) To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. ...16Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Micah Chapter 6 is particularly explicit as to what God wants:
(KJV) 6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? 7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Missionaries sometimes say this means Jesus. But that it not what the text says.
Hosea Chapter 14 waxes poetic and describes words (of repentance) as if they were the animal sacrifices ("calves of our lips"):
(KJV) 1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. 2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
The Psalmist expresses the same idea.
Psalms 40 (KJV) 6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psalms 50 (KJV) 7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. 12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
In 1 Kings 8, Solomon prays that God will forgive the sins of all those who ask in the temple, for example, verses 33 and 34 (JPS 1917)
When Thy people Israel are smitten down before the enemy, when they do sin against Thee, if they turn again to Thee, and confess Thy name, and pray and make supplication unto Thee in this house; then hear Thou in heaven, and forgive the sin of Thy people Israel, and bring them back unto the land which Thou gavest unto their fathers.
1 Kings 8: 46 - 50 applys this even to people to pray to God and think of the temple in a foreign country where they can't make any sacrifices:
If they sin against Thee--for there is no man that sinneth not--and Thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captive ... yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they are carried captive, and turn back, and make supplication unto Thee ...: We have sinned, and have done iniquitously, we have dealt wickedly; if they return unto Thee with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies, ...and pray unto Thee toward their land, ... the city which Thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for Thy name; then hear Thou their prayer and their supplication in heaven Thy dwelling-place, and maintain their cause; and forgive Thy people who have sinned against Thee, and all their transgressions wherein they have transgressed against Thee
One might say that Solomon's prayer wasn't answered, but the text gives no indication of that.
Money (Exodus 30:15-16), jewelry (Numbers 31:50) or putting fire from the altar in a censure (Numbers 17:11) are also listed as means to forgiveness.
Hosea is specific that animal sacrifices will stop for a temporary period (as opposed to being stopped forever and replaced by something else.)
Hosea Chapter 3: 4 (KJV). For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: 5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
Hosea also says: in 6:6 (1917 JPS): For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than burnt-offerings.
Here is the list of the verses for easy copy and paste in chatrooms:
Lev 5:11; Is 1:11; Micah 6:6-8; Hosea 3:4-5; Hosea 6:6; Hosea 14:2; Ps 40:6; Ps 50:7-15; Ex 30:15-16; Num 17:11; Num 31:50; 1 Kings 8: 46 - 50-- see http://home.comcast.net/~fiddlerzvi/verses.html for full texts.
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3. The commandments can be followed.
Missionaries, following Paul's lead, say that the Torah and its commandments are impossible to follow and are are intended only to show us how bad we are. However, rheir examples show only that they do not understand what the commandments actually are.
Deuteronomy Chapter 6:25 (KJV) And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us."
Deuteronomy Chapter 30:11 (KJV) For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Psalms Chapter 19:7 (KJV) The law of the LORD (Heb. Torat HaShem) is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Paul says the Torah condemns the soul. The Psalmist disagrees with him.
The Torah was intended to be permanent, not a temporary measure to be set aside at a later time. Missionaries claim that Jesus "fulfilled" the Torah so that it is no longer needed. Torah says otherwise, and uses the phrase "eternal statute" ("hukat olam") 16 different times. Of particular interest is the use of this phrase in relation to atonement.
Leviticus Chapter 16: 29 (KJV) And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: 30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. 31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever. 32 And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments: 33 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. 34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.
In spite of the explicit detail, the clear statement that it is to be an ongoing yearly ritual, and the repeated statement that it is an eternal statute, the missionaries will tell you that it has all been replaced by a one time human sacrifice in the form of a Roman execution.
The missionary may ask if our sins are not forgiven since we do not have this ritual now. The answer is that this ritual is not the only one for atonement, not by a long shot (see above).
Since this ritual is not in fact done today, one might ask if that proves the Torah wrong. The answer is no -- it doesn't. The ritual is one of the temple rituals, and so is intended only for when the temple is in existence. If and when the temple is rebuilt, the ritual may very well be started again.
Consider also: Ezek 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Here is the list of the verses for easy copy and paste in chatrooms: Deut 6:25; Deut 30:11-14; Ps 19:7-8: Lev 16: 29 -34; Ezek 37:24
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4. Deuteronomy 4.
I have never seen Christians offer this chapter as an excuse for their beliefs, and with good reason.
(KJV) 15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: 16Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flietbackh in the air, 18The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: 19And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven. 20But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.
These verses pose two major problems for Christian beliefs. As you can see from verse 3, with the reminder of how those Jews who followed a false god died, this chapter is about the worship required of Jews. The first problem for Christians comes in verses 15 and 16, with the prohibition against worship of anything in the likeness of a person. It's quite specific - you didn't see anything at Horeb, so don't worship anything that you can see. Jesus, obviously, had the likeness of a person?.
The second problem, in verse 19, is more subtle. It's a warning to be careful "when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them." The next part of the verse contains a remarkable phrase - "which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven." Some might say this refers only to God putting lights in the sky for everyone, but there are two problems with this idea. First, the verb 'halek' has the implication of divide or apportion separately to different people and is different from the verb to give or the verb to place. Secondly, the idea of a neutral astronomical comment being thrown into the middle of firm cautions about worship sounds strange.
It's more likely that God gave the heavenly bodies for other peoples to worship as dieties. Rashi also offers this as an explanation. The warnings to Jews not to worship strange gods are numerous, and there are frequent references to what will happen at the end of days, but, to the best of my knowledge, nowhere does Tanach forbid other peoples of that era from worshipping strange gods, and numerous references are made without condemnation of other people doing so.
So, while many Christians are convinced that God will punish with infinite torture anyone who doesn't have the right beliefs, the Bibilcal author gives no hint of this idea.
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5.The Bible refers less often to "The Messiah," than it does to "an anointed."
The Hebrew word 'Moshiac' (???) is frequently translated as 'Messiah', but that is not its only meaning. The root meaning is 'anointed.' In the Hebrew scripture, the word is used frequently, but rarely (if every) refers to THE Messiah. Most of the time, it refers to a king or priest, since anointing with oil was a part of being installed in office.Three people are mentioned by name as 'the Lord's annointed' or 'the Lord's messiah.' None of the Christians I've asked in chatrooms have been able to identify them - Cyrus, Saul, and David.
It's mainly in post biblical times that referring to 'an anointed' is assumed to refer to THE Messiah. This confuses many Christians who, for example, will say things like, "The Rabbis believed in two messiahs, Messiah Ben Joseph and Messiah Ben David." The phrase 'moshiac ben yosef' should be translated 'an anointed son of Joseph.' More familiarity with the scriptures would show these Christians that THE Messiah can only be a son of David through Solomon (2 Sam 7:12-16).
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'NT' Verses Jews Should Know
I am sure...
...that well minded Christians can find rationalizations to make these passages (all copied and pasted from Bible Gateway so you know they are not misquotes) sound more reasonable. And anti-semites will have no difficulty using these verses to push hatred of Jews. I don't try to say what these passages 'really' mean. My point is more simple -- any Jew who is attracted to Christianity should look at these passages, and know that these are part of the Christian Bible.
For anyone who gives me a list of Hebrew scriptural verses and says that prospective converts to Judaism should be aware of those, I agree, but be sure you have your quotes correct. There are a lot of misquotes of what the Hebrew says.
Christians are welcome to send me their favorite rationalization of why a given passage is not as bad as it sounds.
Mt. 10: (KJV) 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. (Attributed to Jesus)
Mt. 27: (KJV)25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. (Attributed to 'the Jews')
Luke 12 (KJV) 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (Attributed to Jesus)
Luke 14: (KJV) 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Attributed to Jesus)
Luke 19 (KJV) 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (Attributed to Jesus)
John 8 (KJV) 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; ...40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth ...44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (Attributed to Jesus) (Check the omitted verses. Note that the charge "Ye are of your father the devil" is leveled at "those Jews which believed on him")
1 Thessalonians, 2:14 (KJV) For ye, brethren, ... also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: (Attributed to Paul)
Galatians 5:11 (NIV) Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12As for those agitators (for circumcision, possibly of converts), I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! (Attributed to Paul. Most translations are a lot less clear, using phrases such as 'mutilate' or 'cut themselves off'. One translation says 'cuts off what makes them men.' KJV translates verse 12 as " I would they were even cut off which trouble you." Such vagueness suggests they're embarrassed by their own bible.)
John 7:7-10 7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. 8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come. 9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. 10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. (Though Jesus is often descdribed as sinless, in this verse he is lying. One can find excuses ofr it, but a lie is still a lie.)
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